I’m trying to keep all these things safe. The back-and-forth banter regarding Jewish obsessions and neuroses between comedic superstar Seth Rogen and comedian-podcast host Marc Maron is hardly unfamiliar. They make it seem like it was just sitting there –  oh the fucking door’s open!”, Maron then suggested that the reason for the skewed narrative was that “They want to make you feel frightened enough about your own survival, to the point that when you're old enough, you'll make sure money goes to Israel, and that trees are planted and that you always speak highly of Israel and Israel must survive no matter what.”, Both men declared that they could never live in Israel, though Rogen conceded there were “nice parts.” They also said they didn’t find Israelis particularly likeable – Rogen said his summer camp counselors who were “fresh out of the army” had been “psychotic.”. “What Seth is talking about, this thing, not being told there were people here, that it was empty – a land with no people for a people with no land – that’s the essential lie that my generation and those younger than us have had to deal with.”. And they prompted Rogen to call Isaac Herzog, the head of the Jewish Agency, a major non-profit that works to foster relations between Israel and the Jewish world. And they prompted Rogen to call Isaac Herzog, the head of the Jewish Agency, a major non-profit that works to foster relations between Israel and the Jewish world. Left: Seth Rogen in a scene from "An American Pickle." That cliff is created by shielding people from other narratives, as if they aren’t going to find out. Lenkinski said this experience drives her to work on educational programs for younger people with multiple narratives on Israel and Palestine, “to avoid giving young people that horrible painful moment of feeling like every adult in my life lied about Israel.” She urged the Jewish communal world to adopt a similar approach. Seth Rogen: ‘I Was Fed A Huge Amount Of Lies About Israel’ “You don’t keep all your Jews in one basket.” By Daily Wire, July 29, 2020. If it is truly for the preservation of Jewish people, it makes no sense, because, again, you don’t keep something you’re trying to preserve all in one place – especially when that place has proven to be pretty volatile. But he said it can take realistic steps to close the gap, such as establishing a pluralistic prayer site at the Western Wall, long a sticking point between Israel’s Orthodox establishment and more liberal Jews in the U.S. “It’s a challenge for Israel. “They don’t fuck around,” Maron added. Controversy Over Seth Rogen's Israel Comments Exposes Widening Rift With U.S. Jews . “Being Jewish is inextractable for us. If you're Jewish, it’s who you are,” Rogen said. Rogen’s comments immediately lit up “Jewish Twitter.” They unleashed a flurry of critical op-eds in Jewish and Israeli media. We should. 'I’m trying to keep all these things safe; I’m going to put them in my blender and hope that that’s the best place! Ironically, Rogen was on the podcast to promote his new movie, “An American Pickle,” about a Jewish immigrant to the U.S. at the start of the 20th century who falls into a vat of pickle brine and emerges 100 years later. This is actually a very well thought out, practical protocol to do after someone dies, whether you believe in it or not – it is useful.”. That’ll do it!' “Specifically, revolving around death, Judaism has a lot of protocol that is helpful,” Rogen said. Without saying the word “Zionism” explicitly, Rogen pushed hard against it, saying Jews should “spread out” around the world instead of “putting all your Jews in one basket.”, If congregating in a Jewish state is “for religious reasons, I don’t agree with it because I think religion is silly. / Right: Marc Maron performs at the Colony Theater during the South Beach Comedy Festival, March 1, 2012. Credit: Hopper Stone/HBO Max via AP // AP Photo/South Beach Comedy Festival, Mitchell Zachs, The Decade That Devoured the Ties Between Israel and U.S. Jews, Jews Should Speak Out for Marginalized Communities, Seth Rogen Tells Haaretz, COVID-19 Is a Crisis for Jewish Life in the Diaspora – and a Chance to Remake It, This image released by HBO Max shows Seth Rogen portraying Ben Greenbaum, left, and Herschel Greenbaum in a scene from "An American Pickle. In his interview on the popular “WTF with Marc Maron” podcast on July 27, 2020, Rogen said amassing Jews in one country to keep them safe “doesn’t make sense.” The comments were interpreted as denying Israel’s right to exist. “Israelis aren’t going to put up with our middle class Jew bullshit. “You don’t keep something you’re trying to preserve all in one place especially when that place has proven to be pretty volatile. Lieberman, from If Not Now, said the uproar shows “how much the conversation has changed” about Israel among American Jews. “They never tell you that ‘oh, by the way, there were people there.’ They make it seem like, ‘the (expletive) door’s open.’”. It doesn’t make sense to me. “And it’s going to happen at younger ages with generations who are growing up online. It is pervasive and it is prevalent, and it is to many Jewish people so confounding that they don’t assume it’s true.”, Maron concurred. Some have even embraced the Palestinian-led movement calling for boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel to protest what it says is Israeli oppression of Palestinians. They don’t even care if we're religious.”. “I don’t want Jews to think that I don’t think Israel should exist. It’s inconvenient. “You don’t keep all your Jews in one basket. They have access to everything and are going to find out there is a Palestinian narrative – so why not integrate as much diverse learning and complexity as possible in their Jewish education to better equip people to understand?” she asked. As they continued to chat, Rogen appeared to question why Israel was established. Peter Beinart’s argument that a two-state solution — Israel and Palestine — is no longer possible sent shock waves through the Jewish establishment and Washington policy-making circles. The fallout from the back and forth between Marc Maron and Seth Rogen highlights the tenuous relationship between Israel, its supporters and its liberal Jewish critics in the diaspora. But in recent years the country has faced a groundswell of opposition from young progressives, disillusioned by Israel’s aggressive West Bank settlement building, its perceived exclusion of liberal streams of Judaism and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cozy relationship with President Donald Trump. The hyperfocus of the two men on Judaism suited the occasion – given that the interview on the popular “WTF with Marc Maron Podcast” was intended to promote Rogen’s new film, “An American Pickle.”. “You don’t have to believe in Judaism to be Jewish.”. I don’t understand why they did that. He said the comments were made in jest and misconstrued. And I also think that as a Jewish person, like I was fed a huge amount of lies about Israel my entire life.”, Rogen continued: “You know, they never tell you that, 'Oh, by the way, there were people there.' Like Rogen, Lenkinski attended Jewish schools and Zionist camp, and even though her family was decidedly “leftist,” she too remembers the feeling when the cracks began forming in her connection to Israel. Rogen’s comments immediately lit up “Jewish Twitter.” They unleashed a flurry of critical op-eds in Jewish and Israeli media. Rogen also said he is a “proud Jew.” He said his criticism was aimed at the education he received, and he believed he could have been given a deeper picture of a “complex” situation. Israelis are a “sinewy” and “tough” breed of Jew, Rogen said. “Hating Jews is as old as Judaism.”, Haaretz.com, the online edition of Haaretz Newspaper in Israel, and analysis from Israel and the Middle East, © Haaretz Daily Newspaper Ltd. All Rights Reserved, Get email notification for articles from Allison Kaplan Sommer. TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — It began as a lighthearted conversation between two Jewish comedians, riffing on a podcast about the idiosyncrasies of their shared heritage. But after talk turned to Israel, it didn’t take long for Marc Maron and Seth Rogen to spark an uproar. And I understand how they could have been led to think that,” he said. We know it from statistics, from studies that federations and mainstream Jewish organizations have done. Comedic actor Seth Rogen just launched a truly vile attack on Israel, saying that it “makes no sense” to him.

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